Mike and Anthony's Soda Pop Culture Club: Celebrating movies of the 80's, 90's and beyond

Tin Cup

August 30, 2021 Mike and Anthony
Mike and Anthony's Soda Pop Culture Club: Celebrating movies of the 80's, 90's and beyond
Tin Cup
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The golden rule in cinema is simple. Kevin Costner does not make a bad sports movie! Mike and Anthony are teeing up for another great one with 1996's Tin Cup. They discuss the homemade spa, irrational therapists, defining moments, and the immortal 12. Fire up the blender and kick back "fore" this one.

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Michael:

There was no growth in this movie other than his Johnson when he got laid. Do you love the movies of the 80s and 90s? Did you enjoy the search for the perfect rental on the new release wall? Were you nervous about the late fees and forgetting to rewind then you are in the right place. Welcome to Mike and Anthony Soda Pop Culture Club me Mike, along with my co host, Anthony. Nice par David. Bring heartache on TV, movies and all pop culture from the 80s 90s and beyond. And if you want all things, Soda Pop Culture Club, go to Soda Pop Culture Club calm there, you can see our episodes schedule, contact us and make movie suggestions. We also encourage you to become a subscriber or follow the podcast and please share with your friends so they too, can revel in the movies of the past. Additionally, it would be super awesome. If you follow our Instagram at Mike and Anthony plus, don't forget to rate the show. And leave us some comments. Additionally, to celebrate one year of the podcast, coming up here in September, we are running a contest and whoever wins can get a T shirt from our merch store, which you can visit on our website by hitting the merchant link at the top of the page, it is pretty easy to enter, all you have to do is go to the website and suggest a movie, it's right there on the front page. Basically, you put what movie you want, make sure you put who you are. And the reason it's special to you. And make that suggestion if we like your suggestions, and we think that it's the best one, then that's how we're going to reward you get you get you something. So we're prepared to give away up to three t shirts for three different suggestions. So please go in there and do that. And as a bonus, you know if you're capable or have the ability to we may even ask if you want to be on that episode. And he has some other things he wants to tell you.

Anthony:

Yeah, if you also would like to chime in and give me some words of encouragement to continue doing this show with purple nurple then that would require that would win you a fanny pack. Which is funny because we've gotten some great suggestions for the contest so far. So thank you and keep it up. I haven't gotten those words of encouragement from anybody yet, which tells me one of two things either they don't want me to continue doing the show, or they don't want me to continue doing it with you. One

Michael:

of the two You sound like one of our You sound like one of the movie suggestions we got which was cry baby. Just throw it out there. Yeah. You sound like you haven't got a clue. Like another suggestion, asshole. There's no movies called no big dumb asshole. That's not very nice. That's very childish. You need to get me to mature a little. Now. need to put you back in the oven and let you bake a little long i've

Anthony:

i've peaked. There's no more growth.

Michael:

That's the wrong movie to talk. There's no more anything. Wrong movie. We're gonna we're gonna talk about buns in the oven and the next thing we do so, alright, let's, let's do that. All right. Are you ready? Okay, so go ahead. You know, give your tell them what they're doing.

Anthony:

Well, if you looked at the link, you know what we're doing. But this movie is further proof that Kevin Costner in a sports movie is golden. You cannot fail. So we've seen him do the baseball movies. We've seen him do different stuff. This time. We're going into the golf world. This is 1996 is tin cup.

Michael:

Yes. Yes. If you've seen the link, you know, this is about the links. So you see it that way. But you see what you did there?

Anthony:

I saw you just

Michael:

Yeah, I saw what I did there. Yeah, um, yeah, this is definitely not message in a bottle. If you've ever seen that one. I have a different I have. Not. That's sailing. Is that a sport?

Anthony:

I don't sailing, sport. Yeah.

Michael:

Is it? I don't know. Sailing as a sport. I'd like to say

Anthony:

competent. It's a competition. Recreational sailing is not a sport, but unless you're seeing how much you could drink while you're on the boat.

Michael:

Yeah, let's do it. Sailing. It's

Anthony:

a sport. Have you ever seen summer rental?

Michael:

Oh, yeah, that's a great movie. We can do that was aliens. That's with john cusec. Right.

Anthony:

Are you crazy summer john candy.

Michael:

No one crazy summer is the one I'm thinking of where I'm a rental cusec summer rental,

Anthony:

john candy

Michael:

is john candy. I know that movie too. So yeah. So hey, maybe one somebody out there can suggest these movies and maybe we'll do one other gal but you know summer is about over summer is about over that seems weird. Alright, so are you ready to do some things where you guess?

Unknown:

Yeah, I'm ready. I'm ready.

Michael:

All right, here we go. All right. So what do you think? budget?

Anthony:

This is a tough one because it's alright. 96 so this is not a movie with like a ton of special effects and everything, but I don't know what it costs when you involve like the PGA and getting um, you know, you got Phil Mickelson. You've got real golfers in the movie too. So that's where and I have no idea. How do you want?

Michael:

Do you want me to tell you some inside baseball on that give you a little factoid early. No, not yet. Maybe that'll help you now. Okay, okay.

Anthony:

I don't want you to help me. I don't want you to help me cheat.

Michael:

Why would I go? Oh, yeah. Okay, you're a dirty, dirty jeton. Asshole. That's why I'm

Anthony:

gonna guess Fuck you. Um, you're just a dirty asshole. Because you don't bathe. 35 million?

Michael:

Yes. You know, you're pretty close. I would say you're light though. Because remember, these have real celebrities on them. They make real money. I know. Um, you know, three of them anyways. Yeah, it's 45 million. Okay. 45, man. All right. But what do you think it made? What do you think it grossed?

Anthony:

I think I think it did. Well, because it's a good movie. Um, it's I don't think blockbuster anything. But how about to go with 120

Michael:

you are well over the mark. I was only 75 million. I thought that was light too. I was like, Man, that's, that's our 76 if you round it from 75.8 to 776, I guess. Yeah. Still a little closer to your 120

Anthony:

There you go.

Michael:

There you go. So yeah, I mean, you thought it was I thought it was more popular. But everybody everybody forgets the rental market much stronger back then. So maybe that's where it made all its money. So but note about this movie, what you do? What do you think the critics thought about this?

Anthony:

Let's see if we get the kids. Kevin Costner in a sports movie.

Michael:

He lines up.

Anthony:

That's always good. Those are always good. How about let's say it's really good to 71%

Michael:

Fuck you. Seriously, when you're fucking asked, am

Anthony:

I right? Let me see your hands or am I right? Fucking right.

Unknown:

Yes. Right,

Michael:

man. How did you get that? I it's I don't know what got you there?

Anthony:

Because I just said, Kevin. Here's the thing. My logic was Kevin Costner sports movies. They don't fail. He is always good in sports movies. He's also he's a good athlete, which really helps. Okay, he's not like generally good reviews. And he's not somebody that you have a good actor and when he does sports movies, you know, he's athletic, he actually can pull it off, which I think that helps a ton. But, um, and again, it had a good cast. I don't think it's something I don't think it Kevin Costner movie also is not something that you're going to get usually in the 90s or anything from critics. Because it's so Kevin Costner sport now. Yeah, that's why I just said I had to go somewhere in the 70s.

Michael:

It's a little formula, but at the same time, it's quality. I get you. I get you. So what do you what do you think the audience thought of this? That's the thing. Okay, now

Anthony:

this one is tricky. Now that I know what it did in the box office, not nearly what I thought it would do. Or that it did. So that's where I'm like, I still think it's good though. Because I you know, I like it. I'm gonna say this, I'm gonna stick in the 70s though. I will say 77

Michael:

you're very high. Not very high. 65% I think because it's golf at 65% I don't think it's, you know, golf is not a thing that gets the people into the theaters that much. Yeah. Caddyshack. Legend of Bagger Vance was kind of a dud too in the box office is gonna go and I have Will Smith a matt damon. I mean, come on. Wrong. So let's get you some reviews. Yeah, some good actors. Desmond Thomas of The Washington Post is your positive review. He says tin cup works for viewers of any handicap. You see what he did there?

Anthony:

I see what he did there.

Michael:

Wow. That's kind of clever. I yeah. Now I like this one. How Chuck Kona, I like the name of the Austin Chronicle, he says you're about to get bonked on the head with a husband story, mediocre acting, and some screamingly painful dialogue. So I think he squirmed in his seat as he watched that and did not enjoy it. Do you want to give a quick synopsis? Did you already do that? I don't remember. I did not you didn't do that. Basically, this is a story you want to give

Anthony:

somebody who is not using their gift, failing at life, just trying to just getting by? Because basically, they're a headcase to competitive for their own good. They have to live for the moment because it's a defining moment. And when the defining moment comes, you either define the moment or the moment defines you.

Michael:

So stress right, this podcast is now defining you. There you go.

Anthony:

So, McIlroy 10 Cup as he's known for his baseball days. He goes back to baseball with him. He is basically a struggling golf pro, who has all the talent in the world, but doesn't have the mental game to get through. He needs a shrink ere we go. listens to and he wants to point her soon as she walks onto that fairway.

Michael:

Who does fairway driving range? That does not a fairway that is the that is what we call hard pan when it's Texas. Yes, but you read

Anthony:

the first one you want me to when he listen? Yeah, he saw her. Everything changed. The skies parted and it turned into a beautiful fairway. Okay, so are you ready? Do you want to read or me? I'll go. Alright, so Roy McIlroy, played by Kevin Costner, former golf prodigy, leading a generally aimless existence. He owns a ramshackle driving range in West Texas, which is the last place to hit golf balls for FLR ii 520 miles. As the sign says, whoo. So he drinks all day and hangs out with his pal Romeo, played by Cheech Marin in their friends one day Dr. Molly Griswold. No relation to Clark, by the way, play by Rene Russo, a clinical psychologist arrives looking for golf lessons. She's currently dating David Sims played by none other than Don Johnson, a top professional golfer who is an asshole who played with Roy in college. Roy immediately becomes attracted to Molly not knowing yet that she is dating Miami Vice.

Michael:

Yes, that is correct. And whenever you say john John's his name, don't you? tear Doom Doom doom. from Miami Vice theme you like,

Anthony:

every time?

Michael:

every fucking time?

Anthony:

I just, I wish I would love. I would have loved the scene where he was playing golf. Or had a sports coat on and just had the sleeves rolled up.

Michael:

Oh, yeah.

Anthony:

Why didn't we get that?

Michael:

That would have been? I don't know. I don't know. But what's funny is, you know, just a little bit after this movie came out. They debuted the show Nash Bridges where him and Cheech Marin are buddy cop type of system they're going on. So yeah, it's pretty. It would have been, but I think it's because Don Johnson plays one character and it's this guy. And everything he does, he's just this kind of guy. This asshole. It's just how it is. I love the way the movie opens up, though, with that song a little bit is better than not a, you know, an armadillo road. Yeah, just the music it. I feel that's one of the things that they got right in this is like they the music, they have fit the feel of the movie. It was getting some cameo in there and stuff like that. So Not bad, not bad. Um, and these people, like you said, they're in this driving range. Where it's not out if you've ever hung out. I've never hung out a driving range. I'm only gonna hit golf balls because I am a golfer. Yeah. But I've never wanted to hang out at a driving range like, well, I sit there and

Anthony:

chill. Yeah. I was probably like, 1617, a friend of mine. had a job working at putt putt course, like down the road from where I lived. Yeah. So I would go hang out with him. While he was at work. It's boring. It's different. It's but it's boring as shit. There is nothing to do. It's, it gets old just playing over and over again.

Michael:

Not for me, I could play it over and over again.

Anthony:

It just gets old after a while. When there's nobody else there is nothing else to do. We got to a point where playing basketball with a trash can. And a volleyball. I think

Michael:

I used to play 36 holes a day by myself so I can do that. I can

Anthony:

still play by yourself with yourself. Whatever.

Michael:

Thank you. I appreciate that. I love the bug bats when he's out in the malls. Which one's gonna get zapped first. How do they know which one's which?

Anthony:

How do they know I couldn't tell. He said number two. So they like I'm assuming I don't know if they go clockwise or they're going left to right but they've got them

Michael:

down. It's just a data system.

Anthony:

They have a system It's not their first time.

Michael:

I want to hear your handicap that. Gotta be tough man. Oh, did you? Did you get the riddle when you heard it the first time?

Anthony:

Yes, because I've heard that before.

Michael:

Yeah, I mean, I mean, obviously watching it now, but when you first watch this back then you had heard that riddle. Oh, I don't know. I don't remember. Okay. This is 96 Yeah, I mean, yeah, I now when I watch it, I know it, but I don't know if I knew it, then. That's the thing. I I never never really cared. I don't even think I paid attention when that rules. No, now that I think about it. It's kind of crazy. Now, I always thought Renee versus Oh, is kind of a good looking lady. What do you think?

Anthony:

I always did to lethal weapon. Hello?

Michael:

Yeah. Is that where we met her? I don't even know where it's at the first movie. I met her in lethal weapon. Two. Is it because I don't. Yeah, do the two or 333

Anthony:

I think that might have been the first thing. That's the first thing I remember her from.

Michael:

Let's see. Let's see what her first. I made her. Wait. Maybe it's me. No, no, no, no, no. Major League or Mr. Destiny. Were so late yesterday, Joe?

Anthony:

Yes. That would have been the first one. Yes. And wearing that outfit. Yes. That's the mask. I had no idea you can.

Michael:

That's the one man that's probably at first. And

Anthony:

you also have them to Hamilton in it too.

Michael:

Oh, that was a crazy movie. Yeah, one Michael Caine. Yeah, we need to do that. We need to do that one man. That was a that was a good movie. But I love that she has all the shitty golf devices. I'm a golfer and I can tell you they're all city. Yeah, you know once in a while you'll get one that tells you something but the biggest key to golf. It always felt those things are wasted time is a simple thing. Simple changes make simple keys are simple fixes make big changes. Like it's never you know where this thing that hold your arm straight or you know, like that shit doesn't work. Yeah, that doesn't teach you how to be yourself. Yeah. I don't don't don't like that shit. I never did use it. Never have maybe you know maybe have a natural swing so I didn't have to but shit, man. I'm not gonna be fucking putting a hat on. I don't even know what that fucking hat on she had his hat on later on. He's wearing it. Yeah, that that sells that sells a good it's like the ball dangles. I don't know what it was. If the ball moves does that like mean? Yeah, I don't even know what the fuck it means. Yeah, I can't even tell

Anthony:

like I am. I'm assuming like, just looking at the hat that like, I'm assuming it's a way to like keep your head still while you're rotating. You don't want Yeah,

Michael:

I presume I get it. I mean, probably does stay still. And I don't even know if I wore that. But it's what it is. Now. What does here's my thing though in 1996 What the fuck would a golf watch do now we have smartwatches and things that can really do things with accelerometers on him. What did one do then? Like did

Anthony:

I know no clue. I

Michael:

don't even know what the I should have looked it up I what they did what they do. But I do love when she's out there hitting the balls and she's getting all angry. And she's like, Fuck, shit. was what does he say?

Anthony:

There's a What the? Those are some high tech golf terms.

Michael:

These are highly, highly technical golf terms. You shouldn't be using them on the first lesson. Oh, yeah. What is? I love the what is the golf swing by Roy McEvoy? Yeah, there's

Anthony:

a great the unfinished sweat. And he's

Michael:

Yeah, the unfinished symphony of Roy sees his life she That's right. You know the word See? The fight. The funny thing is he's obviously used this before. I wonder what chicks have come out there. Because they're like watching movies doing that Arnold Palmer shit. You know?

Anthony:

Yeah, they've all seen Oh,

Michael:

oh, man. Yeah. And then the, but I'll say the phrase that came from this movie that I heard a lot back in the day. grip it and rip it. Yep. That one you heard a lot grip. Even before this movie. Honestly, I heard that. Yeah, I was introduced to other people.

Anthony:

10 Things I Hate About You. Yeah. Bobby Lowenstein movie teaching the golf lesson.

Michael:

Yeah, grip it and rip it. Rip it and rip. The and then I like the way he's like the one good shot thing. Always. It's true that if you hit one good shot, yeah, that one that hits the tuning fork in your loins. It keeps you coming back. It does just does. It does. It just keeps you coming back. The tuning fork and your loins feel it in my balls is that what he said in that thing was like do you feel it in your balls? I don't know if I feel it there but I but it is like knowing how to put it when you hit a really good shot. It does. It's so satisfying. It is very satisfying feels really good.

Anthony:

Don't go any farther. You're gonna you're gonna make it weird though. Alright, so

Michael:

this is

Anthony:

our setup. So Roy is obviously got a hard on for Rene Russo teaching her to waggle. Yeah, so he's already said he's already smitten. Done.

Michael:

Yeah, he is probably, probably, but we'll learn about that. Are you ready? Can you read the next one for you? Let's go. The next day David Sims shows up at Royce trailer ahead of a local benefit tournament. Roy thinks he is being invited to play but Sims actually wants to hire him as a caddy. Since Roy knows the course. During the round Roy needle Sims about laying up instead of having the nerve to take a 230 yard shot over water hazard hazard the bet amongst the other players is made and Sims fires were at Roy after he makes the long shot to get even with Sims. Roy decides to try and qualify for the US Open. He makes a play for Molly who is already his therapist. So yeah, so this so we have me, David, go ahead.

Anthony:

I was gonna say when you talked about that, so he's laying up part of that's because of Roy though, too, because he's like, I can make that shot. So David's partner ra went in the water. Because Roy blur Craig off the caddy can do it. I'll try it.

Michael:

Well, here's the thing, a good professional would not listen to a caddy. Now just like that, he would just fucking Craig Stadler wouldn't do that he would he would lay up he's won tournaments. Yeah, lay lay up. Although, cuz you know why he would have because if if he's the first one to go, and they're playing in that type of like best ball thing he would have laid up so that that would have given David the opportunity to go for it. See, that's how you play that you let the version I plays conservative if he hits first.

Anthony:

Now that's a word. No one because David doesn't ever go for it.

Michael:

I get that. But see that's See that's where this movie could have changed and tweaked it a little bit. The first guy should have laid up and then it should have put David in that position. And then it would have been David laying up and then him saying, well, I could have gotten there in two and then done the bat and that's why he got fired. Like to me that could have been a small change in the movie, where he showed how David's didn't have the stones. I think that would have been a good one rather than the other guy. Because the other guy he's gonna lay up just because they're playing a team game right there. And you to help your team you're going to give yourself the best chance to birdie the hole or par. So he does the next guy. He's the guy who's got to grip it and rip it and go for the bird the eagle. That's what he does. That's how that's how you play the game. That's not what it made.

Anthony:

That would have made more sense then. Oh, you're caddy. So you could do it. So I was gonna try it. That would have held up a little bit better. Yeah. This is the reasoning.

Michael:

Yeah, well, your caddies, or Craig Stadler gonna say when your caddy walked by he said he could do it. Why aren't you doing it? And then and then, you know, he lays up and then do does it you know, that type of thing. And that would have but maybe it would have made me to put them to head to head early. I guess I don't know that. In the movie. Maybe they want maybe they want to do that. But I like how you see all the old golfers these are like old golfers from like, 30 years ago. 25 years ago. Phil Mickelson is in there. But he's still current but dude. Yeah. Like older than me. He's still older than me. But yeah,

Anthony:

no, no people because what was it? Mickelson just was at the open that he just won. He was the oldest player to do it.

Michael:

That he just win the open a British Open a couple years ago. Is that what you mean? Or

Anthony:

now? It was just like last this past year. I thought.

Michael:

Did he win a tournament? I

Anthony:

think it was.

Michael:

Yeah, he did win.

Anthony:

Was it the open? I think it was.

Unknown:

I don't know. I don't know. Now you're making me luck. I don't even know funny that did win one. You're right. I just don't.

Anthony:

Yeah, I think it was the open.

Michael:

Which one did he win? I think he won the open the Open Championship. The PGA Championship. He won that. Oh, was it okay called the PGA Championship?

Anthony:

It wants to do

Michael:

that is but that is a no. But he also has ever won the US Open is his best is tied for second. He's done at 123456 times. But you know, he's done well, I don't think he's ever going to win it and he won't get his career Grand Slam because of it. That's Yeah, for him. There was a point where we all thought he'd be the most successful golfer without a major win because he was just doomed never to win. Let's put it that way. Now. I'm just gonna say this right now. When dude hits the shot, and does the thing, I would have hit that shot, because fuck David Sims, and I'd have done it on national TV. And when he fired me, I'd have done exactly what he did. I would have dumped his bag and probably double burden him as I was walking out. Because fuck him, you know? All right. People pay to see a show not to see some loser

Anthony:

lay up and it was a defining moment.

Michael:

It was defined a lot for him. I like those How, but later on, you know, you have Cheech talking about all his failures and, and all the things he's not doing and he explains how par can be good. It's like, it's like Romeo knows the good right things and he just pisses on him the whole movie, it seems like we also get to have good conversations.

Anthony:

While Romeo's having that conversation with them, too. We get little foreshadowing, talking about the tournament where he kept trying to hit the same shot

Michael:

over and over again. Or something like that. Yeah. You know, that's based on a real thing that happened. And a golf tournament Gary McCord, one of the guys who's in the movie did that. So spaced off from reality? Oh, man, how low is his life to be indebted strip to a stripper for 12k

Anthony:

I mean, and a 50 year old stripper at that low talking about not no spring chicken. How old is that stripper?

Michael:

You know, I? Here's the thing. You say this, but then when I looked at it, I was earlier I was like, Man, that lady seems a little older. So I went in to look at her name. What's her name? Bad with the names. Doreen, right. Play by Linda Hart. Yeah, she was born in 1950. She was 45 probably when I made the movie. That's our fun age.

Anthony:

She did not.

Michael:

She didn't. That's what kills me. She looked about five, six years old or maybe seven. Yeah. I was like, man, she's my age. I was thinking man, she looks older than then. You know, I think and

Anthony:

I tell you funny stories like, Man, it's literally literally the other day I was at the at a grocery store. You know, it was ringing out and I had beer. So I get carded. And you know, the lady's like, I would not have guessed that because whatever. You know, I'm like, Yes, I get that a lot. People think I'm not old enough to get beer. But then she actually said to me, Well, I get it too. She's like, I'm actually 74 this lady looked as old as Doreen did in that movie. Sounds like I would not have guessed that either.

Unknown:

Okay, like,

Anthony:

she looks like she looks young. 74 too young. For 45

Michael:

Yeah, I'm sad. For 40 Yeah, she did that. So I was like, I looked it up before we got on here cuz I was like, man, how was she? When they made this? Because she seemed like she was old for the part. But now that was right age, whatever Doreen has is a good character. So I'm not gonna be smarter on that one. No,

Anthony:

I'm just saying. Yeah, hello. It was more like not that. But it's like how long you've been in the stripper business?

Michael:

Yeah, I have blown her off. Because obviously, she's more than just a stripper business because she gave him money, although I think it's because they were the item for mold. Yeah. But, but I would have blown her off on the money and said, you'll get your money when you get it because he's like, like, what are you gonna do come collect something he doesn't have? It's not gonna happen. So yeah. But because of that, that's because he owes her money. That's why he puts his golf clubs in hock. And he loses. And you know, he puts him into the pawn shop. So that that creates a great scene later where he has a play to get him back out.

Anthony:

But does he is that why put him good? Because he gave her the deed to his Yeah, range. They gave her

Michael:

that she said that's worth $10,000 is by way I see it. You owe me another 2000. So to get money. That's what he did there. So yeah, so he does that. Now before we get to him, getting him back out. That's when we find out that Renee Russo's character is actually dating David Sims, because he tells her tells him to get his hands off harass Roy. And that's when he finds out that David's taking her to Doral, which is Miami for a mimosa massage. How do I compete with that? Like Yeah, whatever. I mean, how do you though that guy? I mean, it's not like David Sims. He's an asshole to old people and kids, but it's not like he's a total ass, right? Like an animal hate him as a character. And animals. He hates animals. I've seen golfers like that, you know, when they're at the tournament. So to me, I don't. That doesn't tell me he's a bad person. Because I mean, he just might be so competitive and high strung when he's at an event. They just won't be bothered. I can just

Anthony:

pick he's a dick.

Unknown:

All right.

Michael:

Oh, now I will say it. It was during the conversation where they're talking about David it was Romeo's idea to win the US Open. Yeah, but it also is Romeo who knows he doesn't have the mental side of that game and knows you'll never listen to him like it doesn't matter like Even David knew it would later on knows that dude get fucking help himself.

Anthony:

Because if not, why would he have tried to qualify years ago?

Michael:

Yeah, he's doing it now because he just wants the girl obviously.

Anthony:

Right?

Michael:

And once he has that, what does he get? I mean, what what is there to play for anymore? I guess that's the question. Does he continue? You know, that's that's something we learned later I

Anthony:

guess what is there to play for financial security? I don't know.

Michael:

I don't know. Maybe paying Doreen back.

Anthony:

Maybe you can get a house with a real spa instead of a blow up kiddie pool? I don't know.

Michael:

Hey, that spa was the shit they even clean their glasses in that spa.

Anthony:

Hot tub. It's a spa. Yeah, I know. washed out the Margarita cups.

Michael:

So yeah. So the so he plays that guy with the garden utensils for for money, because you need to get his golf clubs back out. Now they decided they're gonna play the US Open. There was some real gay panic in that particular scene that that guy was Uber macho, call it he called the pink lady's pink fag balls. Yeah, really? I don't know. It was. I don't know if you make this movie again. Well, maybe you do cuz that shows he's an asshole. So maybe they would still make it that way to show he's an asshole. Yeah, it could be. Yeah. So yeah, yeah. Um, I and here's the thing. After this, he goes to see her, as you know, as his therapist, or early he's trying to go and get therapy, but she doesn't know it. Why do people feel so ashamed to actually be seen at a therapist or go to a therapy? Why they have to have hidden exits? And why is it such a shameful thing for people to get help? I don't understand that at all. I've not understood that.

Anthony:

I don't think they have hidden exits. That was just the exit room.

Michael:

No, they always had ever heard. There's two different doors. They're the one does the main lobby. And it's always a secondary one. Because if you have things that make you emotional, I mean, they don't. People are ashamed to be seen that way. Or, you know, I understand that but at the same time, to me, if I'm a therapist, I want people to see that because that shows. I know how to help people. Maybe I'm touching them in a good way. There you go. He's sick. That's how you would touch him. Boy. I like how he calls himself full of shit though. His first therapy session. I mean, he is he's full of shit. She even says he's full of shit. Yeah, a cell phone. But what makes it all work? What makes it all great is when she says if you act from the heart, you can't make a mistake.

Anthony:

Yeah, bad advice. bad advice.

Michael:

Oh, yeah, that's good. And then ask them out, you know, as far out as like, Oh, I didn't know you were gonna use it now. Yeah. Oh, so yeah, there's there's a lot of crazy shit that goes on there. We we learn a little bit. We learned a little bit of things in here. This is the first time he tells her your boyfriend hates children and old people, an animal that's and animals. And we learn interestingly, she's from Ohio. Which I have a note in here and a movie a few years later with the Pierce Brosnan Thomas Crown Affair. She's from Lima, Ohio, and that oh man, that's crazy. That's an excellent movie.

Anthony:

Let's make sure it's in Lima. But okay, I

Michael:

know he says it he says Lima in the movie. Fancy. And yeah, the thing is, is we find out that

Anthony:

is it Lima like the murder capital of Ohio to I think,

Michael:

oh, I don't know. I'd have to pretty sure it's got allegedly. I don't offend everybody in Lima. Not that. Although I will say we've never had a download in Lima. Chico probably won't now. There you go. Now either. We'll have one and there'll be like, I'm telling everybody not to do this. Uh, we find out that she looks like she has it all together. But she has kind of a sordid past. You know, she you know, she tried this that and the other was a failed real estate broker. Yeah, by a crash came out there. The guy with the hat, something like that. It's like, we find that her degree doesn't seem like it's a doctor a doctor degree like she's in Texas where doctors a loose term, it seems. I don't know, man. But yeah, that was crazy. It. She's not. She's not as great as she seems like she's a little off her rocker. She's a little bit of a nut. So I think that's what makes us like her a little bit more. That's their connection. Yes, it's their connection. Are you ready to move on?

Anthony:

Let's go. Alright, so we've got we're trying to qualify for the open so in the first qualifying round with Romeo's his caddy. Roy's game is excellent, but his head needs some help. Roy insists on playing recklessly demands the driver of the safe play with is laying up really in Romeo fight and Romeo quits after breaking all the clubs. Still, Roy amazingly manages to advance the qualifying round by powering the back nine with a seven iron. Without Romeo Roy barely succeeds at the sectional qualifying round earning a spot in the US Open Romeo returns and helps Roy with some swing problems. So this is where again now we get now we get more testosterone between David and Roy. Because Roy had a meltdown. That's right let's Club's except No, Romeo broke two of them. So then they make a little bit. He wants to teach ROI lesson one swing whoever.

Michael:

Yeah. Well, yeah, I mean, that was a savvy move on his part. That he has out hustled a guy who hustles that seems like all the time makes bet. So john, it was kind of a weird scene in my opinion.

Anthony:

We get a nice john Daly reference to

Michael:

Well, yeah. JOHN Daly. I've referenced all over this but back then john Daly hits the pit the ball the farther than anybody. Hello. You just froze on me for a few seconds there. So did you freeze? Oh, me. My knees. But you can hear me right. You can hear me though. Right? I can't now.

Anthony:

Can you hear me now?

Michael:

Yeah, I can hear you, man. What's wrong?

Anthony:

Okay. We're good.

Michael:

No, john Daly? Well, he was the the longest hitter on the tour. He wouldn't break clubs and stuff.

Anthony:

That's what I'm saying. Cuz he's like, I hit the seven like john Daly hits the three.

Michael:

Yeah, yeah. Well, some people have that confidence club hit, obviously. It's the seven. Because you know, after Romeo snap snaps to and then he's like, Well, I do this with this and this with that. The only club he ever can hit best is a seven. But I think he here's the thing. I think he fully implodes, because he can't play just a normal game. He has to have some other stakes on ESF. Some emotional buy into it. And that's why I think he always goes forward on that hole because he that's like his thing he has to conquer the rest of its to get to that point. I don't think he cares. But he could shoot 20 under and still want to hate that fucking shot on that number 18 hole. Because that's how he is I think he I think he's always got to have something, got some juice, he's got to have the juice, whether it's a side bed or something has to be going on in his life.

Anthony:

It's got to have a defining moment. If you don't have one, you have to create it.

Michael:

But my fit. My favorite thing is like you said, we talked to David. He says, they tell David, you know, we know he did today. He parted the backside with the seven and what's the first thing David says says Why? Why? Fucking Why? Why the

Anthony:

bag? I don't break them all. Romeo broke. Yeah.

Michael:

Yeah, I mean, and then like you said, that's when David teaches him his lesson. I always thought that was an interesting. That was one of my favorite parts there. Was that about when he gets that ball down the road? Yeah. But boy, I think that's a that's a problem with Roy. He didn't say on the driving range, because had he done on dry range, you know, he would have struck it because he's a better ball striker and Dave. David knows that. David knows that. David would have savvy, he's delayed up to 150 I wonder. So he gets into that. So he gets into that final round the the final qualifying round. What was in his headphones, what do you think was in his headphones? Like? The soundtrack makes you wonder what you because you got to think a golf round can take like three to four hours. That means he had to change cassettes every so often.

Anthony:

Right? So here's my question though. More than that, is Yeah, cassettes because that's what they use back then to. Um, it's not that Where did he get new clubs? Where those different clubs? Yeah, he broke the other ones.

Michael:

Oh, good point at Where did he get crazy? He

Anthony:

got a sponsor. I don't know. I'm like maybe Molly's

Michael:

smokehouse. Yeah. Wally smokehouse bought them.

Anthony:

Just like where's your how'd you get those? Because you already had to be a guy with garden tools to get your other clubs back out of hock so often get new clubs? Yeah.

Michael:

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah, I never I didn't even think of that. I was actually I did think of it. But I wasn't thinking of those. I was thinking about, like, what happened in the US Open when he had how or how much it cost him to re shaft his clubs as I was thinking. That's like back then. 35 bucks a club? Probably. At least, but Romeo can do a lot of that work. He you see that maintenance shack they were in?

Anthony:

Yeah, that was it. Yeah, but Romeo was helping him then.

Michael:

Oh, yeah, you're right. He's pissed. Oh, yeah. Ah, yeah. So in the end, what's funny about the open is he gets URL to caddy. And having to carry his own bag for the fucking guy can do it.

Anthony:

URLs have a heart attack.

Michael:

He deserves the cold shoulder from Romeo though Romeo told him what he would do and he still didn't listen. Yeah. And and he even and then when he tells him he did qualify open he even says point blank where in that in that shack, you're going to blow up. He tells Straight out pretty much I know what you're gonna do. You can't help yourself. And he's, it's sad. It's just so sad to watch. It is

Anthony:

all the town in the world. Very good. Well haunting us your gift I thought.

Michael:

I thought that I thought that Romeo and Roy had a great bromance. Like they it's very special. Like they have this on again off again relationship, right? Yeah, like people can have like bromance, because when he was with Earl, he was thinking of Romeo. He says, um, but not that way because they have to have that slight gay panic. They're like they can't you know? I wouldn't think gonna be that way. The only girl better than me. Yes. Yeah, I do. Now he's right. Nobody says the S word. You know what the S word is swing shank. shank

Anthony:

me Nobody says it.

Michael:

That's a skin. He does cuz you're afraid they'll show up your friend now he they try not to golfers won't say it typically when

Anthony:

you're hitting golf balls, but then he tells he tells her that he's got the Shanks and she says are you taking penicillin?

Michael:

He wasn't but he wasn't hitting golf balls when he said it.

Anthony:

That's that's the key was he already got the shame.

Michael:

Yeah, but you you can't while you're hitting a ball. You can't say that? Oh, yeah, it's not a the word.

Anthony:

I gotcha.

Michael:

But, but yeah, Shanks man. That's a thing. I would say I've never had them. I would say that I have shanked a couple balls in the sense that I for some reason, did something weird, but then there's usually you have a key or two that you think of and then boom, you're back. Right online again.

Anthony:

Okay, good politically. I mean, Mr. golfer,

Michael:

hey, it can be scary. If there are people who get those and they fucking You know,

Anthony:

that's it. It's like a picture of your hips.

Michael:

Yeah. Or Chuck Knobloch who couldn't throw it to first. Do you remember? Yes. He's a second baseman. Yeah. I mean, well, I mean that and he was a good player. He was like a, he hit the he had for over 300 was a great hitter. But, you know, Tom that reason his career ended? Yeah, I, I don't know where that comes from. But he did that. Now. Um, when she comes and visits him, and it talks about when he's attractive. I love it when she says, Yeah, he says, Well, you tell me what your moments are the moments that make you attractive. Do you mean I'll duplicate them?

Anthony:

Yeah. Just tell me what to do.

Michael:

This is one now. What to do. But here's the thing. He went to the University of Houston, he obviously went on scholarship for golf. He has to have a degree for a four year college degree. He sounds like a fucking moron for someone who has a college degree a lot. I mean, are you serious? This they can't be that dumb.

Anthony:

I mean, if you're on an academic, athletic scholarship, that happens a lot. Seriously. How many people go look at like, half of those sports world's Twitter accounts that went to college.

Michael:

Okay,

Anthony:

you're acting like that, like that's so weird.

Michael:

But golf is a little bit different. It's not like that. It's like usually your little most people play golf or well to do and probably have more advantages than other people so they probably can afford better education elsewhere and things right. Do you think that that stereotype would carry through?

Anthony:

No, because we're gonna assume Roy wasn't well to do when he got a scholarship?

Michael:

Your Are you saying him and date? Yeah, you're right. Maybe David's the well to do golfer scholarship, and he's the I played in the local golf course. scholarship guy. Yes. He Okay. I'll give you that. Oh, he came from the bottom. When one came from the top.

Anthony:

He scored four touchdowns for Hawkeye in a single game.

Michael:

And this is what I love when they show him going to the US Open. At least His house is mobile. He's gonna win a fucking bago alright. Are you ready for this?

Anthony:

Yes.

Michael:

All right, my turn. I'm going to read the next one person Your turn. Now isn't mine. Oh, my turn. Yeah, it's I'll go on the first day of the US Open Roy shoots a horrendous 83 which most people in this world would love to shoot a three. Meanwhile, Molly scene, see Sims unpleasant side and decide she truly wants to help Roy with renewed confidence McEvoy shocks the golf world by making the cut with an impressive score. Roy's third round is also excellent, and it moves him into contention. Just gonna say 83 is a good score by the way. Yeah, there are people who never break 90 in their lives. So it's horrendous by the standards of golf tournament but when you say things like that, it really maligns everybody else in the world.

Anthony:

I get you the 83 If you give me nine holes. Really,

Michael:

I bet I can. That's it. I mean, if I were to go out now here's the thing if I were to go out now my goal would be to shoot 45 per nine and then hopefully par a couple holes to shoot in the in the in the 80s is what I expect to do. And then If I was really on my game low 80s, high 70s. Okay. So I look about like when I first show up, and he gets to the driving range, and he sees that they're hitting all new balls, and that's the thing. Fucking golf balls on the drive. Yeah, it's a waste. I mean, they're hitting brand new fucking balls for every shot and tell me they are pampered and baby.

Anthony:

It's the PGA. And it's

Michael:

Yeah, but you know, I, I have a theory about this that PGA Tour players are really fucking good because they got there. But once they get there, the courses are manicured perfectly, they have all the advantages of the equipment that there is given to them plus the balls. Yeah, never lose a ball because they can't find it. Because there's 1000s of people watching at all times, they don't have the same problems we do with that. So I'm thinking that they shave probably five strokes off of their game, four to five, just with those things. Like if you went out and play with those same conditions, you would shave that many strokes because you wouldn't lose balls, and all that stuff. You just have them just in there that they're really good, but they get all the advantages. So when people are like, you know, oh, they're so great. I don't know how they do that I said, we'll take him out to your local course where the rough is shitty. And, you know, if you hit it a certain way, you won't be able find your ball and I'm guessing they won't have as good a time as you think they would. Because they don't have somebody there watching every move. You're better now they're really accurate. So they could just hit the course record too. So there's two different ways I could go. That's always a pro golfer, you can go one of two ways. Shoot 59 and make or break the record or, or be an average looking human, you know, and 83 I like how he is he still has a Shanks and almost takes out the line of golfers. I think that's funny, fucking hilarious. And then he they make the line I feel that my swing feels like an unfolding lawn chair. That that really, that if you're a golfer, that just means you feel really disjointed. Like everything doesn't feel one piece and his Symphony is is out of tune is what it's that's what it's saying is unfinished Symphony is out of tune. That's what I would call it. But I love Romeo. I love Romeo on this do you like what Romeo does to him? makes him look like a jackass. Well, you make some change tie his shoes backwards to change in your left pocket. Yeah,

Anthony:

put this T behind your left ear.

Michael:

Yeah, because he's not because what and he's right. He's not thinking anymore. He's just hitting the ball because he's looks so stupid. He's more worried about that than hitting the ball. So he's just hitting the ball. And that's really true. When You're overthinking it. You can get in your way, man.

Anthony:

So then we get the great advice before the opening round though.

Michael:

Oh, you know, a finely tuned athlete. This is what you do. You don't get drunk, hammered, man. I mean, an 83 hung over is pretty good. Really? When you think about it,

Anthony:

this is what's crazy though. So he's just pounded he makes them do one last shot so he's pounding tequila falls down and passes out at three in the morning. His Tea Time is seven or seven or eight hours.

Michael:

Yeah,

Anthony:

how the hell they even come running said we should set an alarm. How would they wake up in time to get there after drinking that much brews? Romeo didn't go to bed he starts playing the guitar and singing

Michael:

How the hell I don't know man with no no

Anthony:

passed out drunk at three in the morning. How do you get up at seven? I mean, but he did I did that in college but I still needed somebody to wake me up.

Michael:

Yeah, I never did that in college because I didn't really have that experience. But I haven't. Here's the thing. I have never been hung over. Actually I've never really been hung over because I don't drink that much. You don't drink ever? Yeah, so I would never do that I would be up in time for my tea time and I would have been a good boy that's how that would be. So I'm not really I'm not I don't have a friend who would push me to do those things. Well, maybe you but but I Lula but I do love is that he does go out he shoots as a three and and Griswold Dr. Griswold finally our Molly finally gets to see who David Sims really is right? Yes, he's an athlete. Well at least in one interaction that that one interaction where he doesn't do I go to your place and do this for you and blah blah blah that do I come to your wife asked me autograph?

Anthony:

I don't think so. Ugly doll

Michael:

a little factoid about that. The parent the grandparents there were actually Kevin Costner's. Oh really parents, and the kid was his kid.

Anthony:

Nice cameo.

Michael:

Yeah, it's good cameo. Yeah, so yeah, but, but she finally sees it and because that she sees ROI down the dumps. And she knows the mental side because he needs the juice. When I tell you he always needs the juice, right. So she goes in there and starts acting on that barbette like she's, and I think she's just trying to help him get his Mojo because he needs juice. He needs skin in the game. He needs to feel like there's something more than just playing a game of golf. Like he gets something else out of it. And I think that's what she does. She gets his money. He needs to get his groove back

Anthony:

just like Stella

Michael:

Yeah, I mean any knocks that damn Pelican off the thing. And I love David says you're all fucking nuts. Yeah, he's right.

Anthony:

I love the announcer he has to keep announcing with the soda dispenser for the mic Yeah.

Michael:

Well McCourt and and dude tells and can and we're always like in someone's shut him. Romeo Can you shut this guy up? That's funny shit and it's funny shit. But what's really really sucks Romeo is that now because hit those two are together he has to sit out in the rain while they have an all night fuck session. And then and then later on, we see him all dog piled in the same. It just feels weird. Thrall dog piled in the same area. It's like I don't know, man.

Anthony:

Yeah, the whole the whole crew is there. Or is it? Yeah,

Michael:

well, that's. This is the first night you see the you see the shot of Romeo smiling through the window and there are three in there. After dude had his Mulligan, by the way, his Mulligan Yes. Ah, I guess you know, his sex must be amazing, because he's playing amazing. And maybe that's how it is. You know? So it is what it is. She's, but here's the thing when they're on that second that third round, she tells him to go for it. I was like that's a bad decision. That's a really bad or that second round for me. That's a really bad decision. I would never like just ignore that.

Anthony:

She's not a good therapist very found out. So

Michael:

yeah. I mean, he does get the record low for around. Yeah. Which is amazing. Like he has his name in the record books regardless, even going into water. It's Yeah, but he but it was a bad decision. They mean sometimes lay it up and getting an opportunity for Barry is better, you know just what it is. Because I assume that's a par five, I see a par five par five. So because it's a par four back then that would be a long as par for to have to hit that. I mean, I've played some holes like that back in the day, but that would be a long ass. Like the longest longest par for I ever played back then was like 460 which is really long because when you think back then we're only hitting the ball off the tee 250 to 275. And that means you got to hit the next club 200 yards, which would have to be a would that's that was some tough shit. I mean, my guess pros could do that.

Anthony:

They can and they do. But here's

Michael:

the thing, but here's the thing. Let me see here. Okay, here's the thing, the shot that he hits on that 17th is supposedly 235 yards or something like that. Yeah. And his ball lands in the water. It looks like somewhere around 210 and he said earlier, he hits a seven to 27 so I'm thinking if he did not have the seven he still could have got I'll just not pull high. Like why didn't he do that?

Anthony:

You're overthinking this.

Michael:

I'm a fucking golfer. I'm thinking like a golfer. That's what it is. Oh, man. Oh, but I love that I love later on when we're at the Waffle House. And you know they're they're not celebrating with their Pelican money. Yep, they're they're gonna eat at the waffle house because that's a difficult one. No, no fucking end. And that's the Waffle House. You know, they don't want to go some fancy their Waffle House guy. And I think later on there were too many people in the Winnebago. That's my next thing. Oh my god.

Anthony:

URL being in there would be an across URL alone. That's enough in the Winnebago

Michael:

man. Oh, man. They were they were oh my gosh, that's weird. Shit. That's some weird shit, man. That's like, would you would you want to stay in a RV with me? No. I don't like sire. You go rvng with me. I

Anthony:

like staying in the same house with you. We talked about in an RV.

Michael:

Whoa, what?

Anthony:

I'd kill you. Are you enjoying my company? I would kill you.

Michael:

On an RV would but talking about golf all day. A golf is fucking awesome. Let's talk a little bit more about it. Read this last section here. Right, come on, you got this.

Anthony:

So now we're at the last day of the US Open tournament. round four. Roy is in a three way battle to win. For the fourth day in a row. He takes a shot that repeatedly as repeatedly fails to keep the ball out of the water water hazard then just takes the drop does it over and over again because now he's just completely gone off the rails on his 12th and final shot the last ball in the bag or he can't turn it in a scorecard facing disqualification. He reaches the green and amazingly it goes in the hole. realizes he just blown a shot with us open. But Molly reassures him about how people will always remember his amazing 12 because it is immortal.

Michael:

Yeah.

Anthony:

Now, when we skipped over that though, he starts off the round like shit. He's out of bounds.

Michael:

Well, yeah, but it's but he ends up it doesn't matter going off the rails. He gets to the point where he's within a stroke of the LEED or tied with he's actually tied with Peter Jacobson is what it is and then what's his name is like one stroke behind. So he can he could he could take it just par and tie and go on to a playoff is really comes down to so yeah now and he just gave away the USO I can hit but yes he can I feel that David should feel ashamed for even playing with a piece of shit like Roy in that moment because it's so like I feel ashamed to have that guy next to me being a golfer. That's a golfer talk that's not that's the i would i would not appreciate that guy probably tell how big of a douchebag he is for doing what he did that type of thing. That's

Anthony:

how I be because you're a douchebag they can smell their own. I got it.

Michael:

Yeah, well, you know, I do. Roy's like you said Roy's game was rough. I think Gary McCord talks too much. And I think you know, you said he started off rough. But once again, I think what got him back online is he needs the juice right. Now we talked about the juice. So Gary McCourt is there and he's like, nope. Hey, take it on the green from here. And he's like,

Anthony:

he's in jail. chata parole?

Michael:

I'm bet you 50 Yeah, I'll bet you 50 bucks. I can get it on here on the green from here. And once he gets that juice, what does he do? bounces off the fucking Porter john. You get picks and the guy picks up his 50 bucks and he's often off and running. or water closet or Lou? Lou? Oh, yes. Oh, I thought you. I thought you left some. Some letters out there. Okay. What the fuck is a Lou? And I was like, Oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Yep. Um, and it looks like what's your name now? is going to see many golfers because they keep Craig Stadler? Yeah, comes up. She says she's picked up a few clients. But would you? Here's the thing. That's what I was gonna say. After seeing what happens later. With Roy. Would you still want her to be your shrink

Anthony:

up? She got him that far. Which I still think is. That's progress. He melted down at the end. But he still got there.

Michael:

Oh, yeah. But he but if I were them, I wouldn't want her as my No, not with what? Because here's the thing when we get to the shot when we get to the big scene here. Romeo tells him to just lay up he doesn't fucking Listen, which he said he would. But he doesn't because he's who he is. But he just doesn't get out of his own way. He's so bent on these fucking defining moments. He forgets that winning is winning. It has nothing to do with how you win.

Anthony:

It doesn't matter if by romance or a mile winnings winning.

Michael:

Yeah. That's right. Reto says so winning is one. That's right. And his and I think he has this compulsion to do something great with and not worry about the consequences like he he thinks he's gonna do it his way and be damn the consequences. Fuck it. And then she's no better yelling from the fucking peanut gallery. Go for it like a moron.

Anthony:

She said she's never been with anybody. It's just gone for it. And she just said he's, he's seen he knows it. But you know what? It's also you talk about that. It's he can't see the big picture. It's always too focused on this shot. This one moment. He can't see the big picture. He's very macro here, right? Very alpha. Don't tell you what to do. I

Michael:

do. Why alpha? Is the man candy. I do. I do a windy, lead. Is he a leader?

Anthony:

Yes. He just doesn't have any followers.

Michael:

She's an idiot for telling me Go for it. And this scene always makes me uncomfortable. As a golfer I hate it. I hate it. I don't know how to tell you what we'll get to it. This is hitting the shots. It's just an implosion. And David was right but David was right all the fucking long. He said it before the damn tournament. He said it when he broke every club in his bag. He said you will implode you will do your thing. And you know then he did like go on cue and we still don't know what happened with David. David could have just hit on and birdied and tied and he might have won the damn tournament for all wait, we don't know.

Anthony:

He played for second.

Michael:

No, he played he a par If he pars it second, but if he hits his third shot on and makes it makes the four that's a birdie. If he misses the four it's a par and then he doesn't in that second place. That's correct. Yeah, he's playing but he could have tied he was playing for a second. I mean he he may Yeah, but it's second place. You know I did I went and looked at the math on this. Do you know how much the the winner got on the on that tournament? How much they back in that year nine how much the winner of the US Open got paid. Huh, how much do you think they got paid? I want to tell you. It was $436,000 something like that. Really? Wow. What do you think? The difference between winning and where he finished seven strokes back was a lot.

Anthony:

What do you get like 10 grand?

Michael:

Only $31,000 is what the person made. So yeah, so yeah dumb decision.

Anthony:

Seven strokes back but did we fight what place he actually finished?

Michael:

No, I'm just going by what the first and seven strokes back made in 1996. Like and and I'm not worried about places now there could be multiple people tied with you that does affect purses but just to look at the drastic nature of it $400,000 last even second place is over 100,000 so think think of that

Anthony:

good money.

Michael:

Yeah. So So David's gone to the Doral for most of the massages. He's going to the Citgo line that's when you play for seconds.

Anthony:

Okay, make the money.

Michael:

Yeah, yeah, you do you know if you finish second every tournament in your life, you'd be a billionaire, probably on how much they pay now. Now, they say people will remember the shot but to me that means absolutely nothing. I mean, I understand how it plays as the default as we got foreshadow defining moments, this whole fucking thing, but it means nothing. That shot means nothing. Yeah, you made it, but it was the 15 stroke or 12 stroke. like fuck him. Well, he didn't do anything. Well, he didn't do any

Anthony:

good. I remember is 12 It's a mortal. All these years later,

Michael:

you're just you remember, I? You're right. I do remember that scene. And I do. I do. Remember that scene. You are correct. There we go. All right. I'm gonna read the next section. Are you ready?

Anthony:

Yes.

Michael:

Back in Texas. Molly tells Roy that he automatically qualified for next year's open due to standing. They kiss passionately as the movie ends. And that is it and follow up. Now. We also see we also see Romeo and dorine with their Tango. Yeah, that's, well, she's a stripper maybe a little playing play. acting's What's going on there? I don't know. Maybe she's into that, you know, for play. Which is funny in this and I think after, like I said, I think after he implodes, she loses clients. And I think he became a little more brain and she became a little more risky, like they said, although unless he applies that to the trying to qualify for the tour the next year, then everything he didn't learn a damn thing. Like there was no growth in this movie other than his Johnson when he got laid. Right if that's all happened,

Anthony:

she didn't lose clients, Sherry said she's picked up a lot of business.

Michael:

Yes, she says she's picked up a lot of business, but we don't really know. That was b. i don't i don't think i don't think she's gonna keep them. There's no way this fucking headcase did that. And you're the person who's treating them? No way. Would you go to see my shrink? Knowing how I am? Probably not hell now.

Anthony:

Especially after some dumb shit. This movie.

Michael:

Are you ready for the fun parts of this?

Anthony:

Let's Let's go. I'm ready.

Michael:

Okay, I gotta do I have Oh, I knew I forgot something. I knew I forgot to load something up. Fuck sickle. You can call me everything you want in the book, but it's all right. Oh,

Anthony:

I can't it's gonna be a book.

Michael:

That's a big book. I forgot to do the six pack open sound but I got it now. Are you ready? Do you wanna go first?

Anthony:

I'll go first.

Michael:

Yeah, we're gonna do the six pack. Just wanna remind people six packs where we pick six things or three a piece of things we enjoyed in the movie of scenes. Here you go.

Anthony:

The 12 as much as you bitch about it. That shot was fucking epic. It was a great scene in the movie. Oh, it was awesome. That's that's your scene right there. It was fucking awesome. You're looking at reading into it too much like, ooh, so we're real golfer we do and that's a fuck you. That was a great great, great scene in the movie. But the one thing I got to ask about that this always bugged me about it. At the end when he throws the ball back in the water which was funny he's like I'm done you can have it back kind of moment. Then all the those guys jump in to get the ball out. And the one guy jumps up with the ball. And he's like, oh, man, I'm like dude, how do you even know that's the right ball? He just hit five other ones in there. Guys like I got it wrong dude. There's

Michael:

a bunch more down there. They don't know which one it is. Maybe he was so fast. He got it before hit the bottom.

Anthony:

Shut up. I got mine are you Oh no, that's the right one.

Michael:

No, you don't Are you ready? I'm ready got one. I love the all the self help golf devices and how it comes back later in the movie with him doing all the same shit. And she walks in on him like like catching him jerking off in the shower or something. Sit there. It's like he's doing something that she shouldn't do. It's a Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's what it looks like. It feels like like caught him doing something not he shouldn't be doing and it really is for a golfer. If you're a self respecting golfer that is like catching you with your pants down. You know doing some stupid are your hat on?

Unknown:

Alright, are you ready? Ready?

Anthony:

All right, the shot off the porta potty.

Michael:

Lots Good one.

Anthony:

That was a great scene. It gets him back in the tournament and the final round. He gets his juice back. He makes the bet. That was a good one. That was fun.

Michael:

I have done that off a tree before. And I've also hit shots where there slopes around the green. Like even in the rough where I hit it up on the top of the hill and let it roll down the hill to get on the green. I've done some creative shots like that. You know you that's how you see the terrain.

Anthony:

You just want to do this movie to talk about oh, this is what I've done golfing. That's why you pick this movie.

Michael:

I'm a good golfer. You're

Anthony:

a fucking nurse. I'm

Michael:

not. I'm not Roy McEvoy good. But, you know, yeah,

Anthony:

you couldn't hit a 12

Michael:

I've hit a 12 before Trust me. I've pulled a Roy McAvoy actually, once I was at a course it was called winding hollow Country Club back in the day, the number two hole had a very narrow green and had to sand traps on both sides. very narrow. And I'm a really good sand player. So I hit one end to the right bunker, and I get up there and I get my wedge out. I do a nice feather it and I hit it nice hits the green, but just keeps rolling for some reason rolls into the other trap. So then I hit it again. Out of that one nice shot. some reason it rolls into the other one I'm hitting but I think are brilliant shots. I did this 1234 times before I just hit the ball out of fucking bounds and walked off the course. And that was during a golf match. There you go.

Anthony:

Don't you dare that match about? Roy's meant mental breakdown because you're no better?

Michael:

I was 16 years old. You're where you left it when? I was 16 he's a grown ass fucking man.

Unknown:

There you go.

Anthony:

What point is movie do you consider a grown ass man?

Michael:

He has great pubes. I'm fairly certain I'm going to hit thing I got to do my next one. Are you right? Romeo just being Romeo. The whole movie I like Cheech Marin's character and this is probably the best character in the movie. I think he's just excellent. Like he's when it comes up with the great lines like the spa, and shit like that. I love him. He's my favorite.

Anthony:

He was good at it.

Michael:

There you go. All right. Love that. Are you ready?

Anthony:

I'm ready. All right. My last one is the The other thing I like is when she's picking up business during the tournament, you know, she's getting our business cards when she's like I do couples counseling. So if you want to bring your caddy Go right ahead.

Michael:

You know, I thought that's funny. Oh, that was excellent. I do love that. Okay, I've got I've got one more. One more. Here we go. The driving range seen when he has the Shanks? Yeah, and a few reasons for that. I can feel the anxiety where if you've ever gone up to a driving range and hit a bad shot or two, and you feel everybody's watching you, I've done it. I know how that feels. So my hearts out to him on the one that did feel that one therefore, you got to feel alright. Alright, are you ready to do your generic? I'm ready. airy. Hey, go.

Anthony:

Alright, the one generic thing to me is basically the romance between the two of them. You don't think it's believable? I don't because it's like it happened too quick. Like,

Michael:

I agree.

Anthony:

You know, it was just like, there wasn't they didn't add enough to actually make it believable to me. They're just like, he's got the hots for her immediately. And he she,

Michael:

yeah, but it's like, just I eventually does.

Anthony:

The thing is why did you fall for him? And what? What led to Yeah, kind of thing. It just happened too quick, where, like, they introduced that part of it too quick in the movie. And there wasn't really enough substance behind it. That's all

Michael:

I would agree. I would agree. I feel that that Yeah. It just feels a little bit forced.

Anthony:

It could have been some better writing like that up and expand on it a little bit.

Michael:

I think. Honestly, he had the hots for but I think it became even more of a thing once he knew it was David's girl. Yeah, like I think it was that. Yeah, he

Anthony:

wish he wish he had a right Oh,

Michael:

yeah. Like Jessie's girl but David's. I've got I've got my generic carry. Okay. And you know what it is? Is the fucking shot so fuck him and his fucking fuckable Okay, that fucking 12 stroke shot. It's fucking stupid. It's I hate it. I hate everything about it Romeo deserve better. Romeo is catty. Do you know why Romeo deserves better do much a caddy makes when you win a tournament or in general what they make, like 5% of the winnings, so it costs him as well. So like I said, in 96 first place, actually, I was wrong. It was 425,000. If you drop seven strokes in that one, it dropped her money to $33,188 from 5% of possible for over 400,000 to 5% of maybe 30,000. Fuck him, he fucked his friend, he fucked himself. He's fuck him and his fuckable fucking idiot.

Anthony:

Alright, listen, calm down. You're an idiot. But whatever. First of all,

Michael:

it's a defining moment, the funny stupidity,

Anthony:

he had to have the meltdown. It's not the same movie If he doesn't, right. Not the same movie if he doesn't also his defining moment that 12 probably gets him endorsement deals, so don't act like he's out of the money. I bet you he's gonna be pedaling ship for companies, because he's

Michael:

peddling shit.

Anthony:

He's infamous now.

Michael:

Yeah, winning a major you get you're known forever. But yeah, whatever. But he he's an idiot.

Anthony:

When you're a spokesman for golf watches. Here make some bank

Michael:

for golf watches. Now I do want to say this. He hit a wood on that shot, like, not an iron. Yeah. And the one thing that's unrealistic about that whole scene is that a wood doesn't back up like it did in that scene. Typically, they skip and go forward, and it would have just gone over the grain or something like that. So I'll give him this that that shot should never come back into the water. They've never would because you can't groove a ball and make it spin to go backwards. Like it did. But that being said, fuck him. He costs well is his buddy money. And that's not very cool. Either. You cost his livelihood as well as yours. That's why you're a team and you need to go to couples counseling, not just one person.

Anthony:

That was just a crazy slope apparently at the whole. Like if you're no within crazy downhill, apparently,

Michael:

there is no hole with that crazy of a slope that a would wouldn't hit and skip. I just know that. That's. No, it's just No. Can you say that? We have a numbers. Hidden skip hitting, skip hitting, skip hitting skip, know

Anthony:

that you hit it with a word and it wouldn't skip. Skip club skip if the wooden club could skip wood.

Michael:

Yeah, but number seven at Marysville golf course here Marysville, Ohio has a slope from the front from the back to the front. Even when you hit that one and it's a severe slope. It still goes over it doesn't go up and then come back down like that. Unless it's an iron because iron grip better you grip the ball better and get back up. So just how it is so that is that in a nutshell, do you want to know Go ahead.

Anthony:

What I yeah, hurry up because I'm so sick of hearing your golf stories.

Unknown:

Okay, go.

Michael:

Okay. Here's a story from Cheech Marin. We were between scenes standing around and someone came up with a bet Marin said there was this really tall pine pine tree and someone said to Phil Mickelson, I bet you can't put your shoulder against the tree, drop a ball and hit it over the tree. The shot basically had to go straight up is what he said. Everybody threw in 100 bucks. I think there was 12 $100 in the pot is what he says. And he did it when the ball was still in the air Mickelson bent over, picked up the money and put it in his pocket.

Anthony:

That's awesome. That's badass. That's badass.

Michael:

That is badass. When filming at the Tubac Golf Resort in the Arizona desert, the script called for a water hazard. Since there wasn't Then There Were None on the course. The filmmaker filmmakers built one and named it 10 Cup lake. Oh nice. Pierce Brosnan was considered for David's the role of David Sims and Livengood. Dennis Quaid says he regrets turning down the role to play related by Don Johnson. Oh, he could have played that. Well.

Anthony:

I think he could play Roy.

Michael:

He could have by both Yeah, yeah, he by can see him as a Don Johnson type two. JOHN Leguizamo was considered for the part of Romeo that would have been interesting, weird. Yeah. He's funny but that I don't know how that energy would work in. Roy Baca voice final overall score in the US Open was 100 par 287 is for round scores were at 362 64 and 78. Kevin Costner and Don Johnson are good friends in real life and also that Johnson was considered to play Eliot Ness in the untouchables but turned it down and went, and it went to his friend Kevin Costner, so could you Imagine how untouchables would be different way different if Don Johnson played. That movie would have been straight to video. I don't think it would have been a movie. During the press interview following the third of the US, the third of the US Open the third round, Roy McEvoy's asked why he went for the green and ate on 18 a low percentage shot, he replied, so am I, and goes into naming his sponsors among the list. He says Woody's Steakhouse. If you look at the shirt he's wearing it says Wally steakhouse, not what is so there you go. So you can't even get fucking sponsors, right? Alright, so

Anthony:

that makes sense, because he's probably not paying attention to his sponsors are they just slapped him on a shrew? So he probably doesn't know the names actually. The

Michael:

sponsor? Are you ready?

Anthony:

I'm ready.

Michael:

Yes, time to rate this, but you go first. You are me, David. You David. Alright. So

Anthony:

I don't know what fuck bubbles gonna say here about this movie because he has some serious hardcore issues with the actual golf aspect and some of the ins and outs of that. But I thoroughly enjoyed this movie. Again, like I said, in the very beginning, any sports movie with Kevin Costner, you cannot go wrong, you just can't mess it up. He's just perfect for sports movies. So while there is some stuff that doesn't hold up as well, today, I will say some of the comments made in the movie. And again, the the whole love story. didn't quite work that well for me. But you know, looking past that as far as the entertainment value of this movie, The funny parts, the bets. There's some great stuff in there with all the different bets that they had and different stuff with the trick shots this that the 12 was epic. I still love that moment in that movie. That is fucking amazing to me. So overall, this is a very solid Sports film, as is any other Kevin Costner Sports film? So I give this 17 cans, not like, Oh my god, gray sports have a temper, but very, very good.

Michael:

Whatever,

Anthony:

whatever.

Michael:

I don't know. I don't know what you're doing here.

Anthony:

Shut up, but I'm reading it the right way.

Michael:

Well, you know, you read it however you want. I want to tell you what my rating is and it's going to be the good one. Foster will be the one everyone should listen to. Okay, so I like this movie and hate it all at once. I love the comedy like he says and Costner is great. As always, Cheech Marin is actually excellent. Even better, so better than them. Don Johnson plays his role to the max. I think he does what john Johnson does, whose arrogance and whatever it is else he got going on there. machismo, I guess. But you see, I am a golfer. I'm a good one. Not a bad golfer. So watching this drove me crazy when it got to the end. I hate that scene. I really do. But over time, I grew to appreciate this movie more. Back then if I were writing this, this would be like to Cannes like I couldn't even I couldn't even I hated it so much. But now I look at it more like the movie explores. I had a lot of great movie up until that point. So I have that inner conflict. Like I gotta give it something better than that shit. So because of this, because I appreciate so much of the movie. I give it 14 cans. That gives us an average of

Anthony:

15.5

Michael:

Yeah, that's a good movie. That's a watchable movie. Right?

Anthony:

It is. There's a lot that you look back at it probably could have been better.

Michael:

Like I said, I think we could have reshot the whole scene. The first going for it scene you know with the Craig's Tavern I think we could have made we could have tweaked that maybe made it better. But it was good. So anyways, you have anything you want to tell people anything you got to say for

Anthony:

for coming as a golf term as a golf term for all right, I

Michael:

know.

Anthony:

Thank you all for listening as always we appreciate it very much please check out the website do everything that the golf maniac here told you at the beginning of the episode follow us like us leave comment. Don't forget to enter the contest and stay tuned for next week's episode. Thank you. God bless. Yeah,

Michael:

do all that for Bye co co wrote Aikido

Anthony:

Coco, Coco you know what some people on this planet are looking at, you know, that's what you just got to say. Are you ready?

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